A double-header episode from Wild Goose Festival featuring conversations with the Revs. Ron Bonner and Jennifer Butler. Ron Bonner is Associate Pastor for Community Engagement at Lutheran Church of the Redeemer. He speaks with us about the criminality of racism, and how understanding racism as "sin" has allowed white Christians to avoid confronting it. Jennifer Butler is CEO of Faith in Public Life and the author of Who Stole My Bible? She speaks with us about reclaiming scripture as a handbook for resisting tyranny.